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GRUB does not work with USB keyboards when using keyboard-layout

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From: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian <at> pelzflorian.de>
To: bug-guix <at> gnu.org
Subject: GRUB does not work with USB keyboards when using keyboard-layout
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 19:35:44 +0200

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In the bootloader menu, input from a USB external keyboard or a
Macbook’s built-in USB keyboard is ignored by GRUB.  This makes it
impossible to choose which generation to boot.  The passphrase of an
encrypted boot partition can be entered though (with US English
keyboard layout instead of the chosen layout).

The attached patch makes the USB keyboard work in the bootloader menu,
but it uses US English layout instead of the chosen layout too.  Also
the patch is just imitating what is already in gnu/bootloader/grub.scm
but I do not actually know what I’m doing.

Regards,
Florian

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Message #8 received at 35585 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
To: "pelzflorian \(Florian Pelz\)" <pelzflorian <at> pelzflorian.de>
Cc: Danny Milosavljevic <dannym <at> scratchpost.org>, 35585 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#35585: GRUB does not work with USB keyboards when using
 keyboard-layout
Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 18:11:55 +0200

Hi,

"pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian <at> pelzflorian.de> skribis:

> From c0c8167cf4f7ddd68567618effc665dd950c2f93 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: Florian Pelz <pelzflorian <at> pelzflorian.de>
> Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 17:38:47 +0200
> Subject: [PATCH] bootloader: grub: Support USB keyboards when using a
>  keyboard-layout.
>
> With this USB keyboards are recognized again, the layout does not currently
> get used by GRUB though.
>
> * gnu/booloader/grub.scm (keyboard-layout-config): Add usb_keyboard terminal
> to terminal_input command.

Oh, interesting.  I guess on “PCs” the BIOS/UEFI emulates AT keyboard
even when the keyboard is really an external USB keyboard, which is why
we don’t see that problem.

> --- a/gnu/bootloader/grub.scm
> +++ b/gnu/bootloader/grub.scm
> @@ -360,7 +360,7 @@ entries corresponding to old generations of the system."
>                               (keyboard-layout-file layout #:grub grub))))
>            (when keymap
>              (format port "\
> -terminal_input at_keyboard
> +terminal_input at_keyboard usb_keyboard

What do others think?  Danny?

I’d like to make sure this is as harmless as it looks.

Ludo’.

Message #11 received at 35585 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Danny Milosavljevic <dannym <at> scratchpost.org>
To: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 35585 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 "pelzflorian \(Florian Pelz\)" <pelzflorian <at> pelzflorian.de>
Subject: Re: bug#35585: GRUB does not work with USB keyboards when using
 keyboard-layout
Date: Tue, 7 May 2019 18:39:14 +0200

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Hi Ludo,

On Tue, 07 May 2019 18:11:55 +0200
Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org> wrote:

> > --- a/gnu/bootloader/grub.scm
> > +++ b/gnu/bootloader/grub.scm
> > @@ -360,7 +360,7 @@ entries corresponding to old generations of the system."
> >                               (keyboard-layout-file layout #:grub grub))))
> >            (when keymap
> >              (format port "\
> > -terminal_input at_keyboard
> > +terminal_input at_keyboard usb_keyboard  
> 
> What do others think?  Danny?
> 
> I’d like to make sure this is as harmless as it looks.

AT keyboard should also match USB bootp keyboards, but I guess the mac doesn't
support bootp.  (USB keyboards have a "bootloader" protocol (BOOTP) and
a "normal" protocol with the rationale being that the "normal" protocol is
too compliated to fit into the bootloader - hence, USB keyboard should support
both--and, when talked to using the bootloader protocol, the PC firmware should
transform it into AT keyboard commands in order to further simplify the
bootloader's job)

Why is it specified at all?  If it's not specified, it will default to
the "platform native" inputs which means the ones available in the source code
for that platform.  So aren't we complicating our life for no reason by
specifying it in the first place?

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Message #14 received at 35585 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian <at> pelzflorian.de>
To: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Danny Milosavljevic <dannym <at> scratchpost.org>, 35585 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#35585: GRUB does not work with USB keyboards when using
 keyboard-layout
Date: Tue, 7 May 2019 19:25:39 +0200

On Tue, May 07, 2019 at 06:11:55PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> Oh, interesting.  I guess on “PCs” the BIOS/UEFI emulates AT keyboard
> even when the keyboard is really an external USB keyboard, which is why
> we don’t see that problem.
> 

Not for my external USB keyboard on my PC (using an Asus P8H67
motherboard).

Regards,
Florian

Message #17 received at 35585 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian <at> pelzflorian.de>
To: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 35585 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#35585: GRUB does not work with USB keyboards when using
 keyboard-layout
Date: Tue, 7 May 2019 19:48:54 +0200

On Tue, May 07, 2019 at 07:25:39PM +0200, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrote:
> On Tue, May 07, 2019 at 06:11:55PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> > Oh, interesting.  I guess on “PCs” the BIOS/UEFI emulates AT keyboard
> > even when the keyboard is really an external USB keyboard, which is why
> > we don’t see that problem.
> > 
> 
> Not for my external USB keyboard on my PC (using an Asus P8H67
> motherboard).
> 

Sorry, I was wrong.  It works on my PC on Guix System installer 1.0.
When it did not work before, I must have done something wrong; my USB
hub is a little flaky.

Sorry.

Message #20 received at 35585 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian <at> pelzflorian.de>
To: Danny Milosavljevic <dannym <at> scratchpost.org>
Cc: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>, 35585 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#35585: GRUB does not work with USB keyboards when using
 keyboard-layout
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 00:09:45 +0200

On Tue, May 07, 2019 at 06:39:14PM +0200, Danny Milosavljevic wrote:
> Why is it specified at all?  If it's not specified, it will default to
> the "platform native" inputs which means the ones available in the source code
> for that platform.  So aren't we complicating our life for no reason by
> specifying it in the first place?

On my Macbook, omitting the terminal_input line works fine; I can use
the keyboard.  The layout for passphrase and boot menu remains US
English though, as it always was for the passphrase and as it was with
terminal_input usb_keyboard.  But this is much better than no
keyboard in the boot menu at all (and I prefer US English anyway).

Thank you for sharing your expertise Danny!

Regards,
Florian

Message #23 received at 35585 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
To: Danny Milosavljevic <dannym <at> scratchpost.org>
Cc: 35585 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 "pelzflorian \(Florian Pelz\)" <pelzflorian <at> pelzflorian.de>
Subject: Re: bug#35585: GRUB does not work with USB keyboards when using
 keyboard-layout
Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 12:03:21 +0200

Hi Danny,

Danny Milosavljevic <dannym <at> scratchpost.org> skribis:

> Why is it specified at all?  If it's not specified, it will default to
> the "platform native" inputs which means the ones available in the source code
> for that platform.  So aren't we complicating our life for no reason by
> specifying it in the first place?

I don’t know.  I added it in 8d058e7b1b1a409d3d9cc29c5650a98db4e78783,
which was inspired by a patch posted by nee, but in hindsight I think
this has nothing to do here.  So I’m happy to remove that
“terminal_input” line.

Florian, can you check whether removing the line fixes the issue for
you?

We should make sure it also works for the rest of us.

Thanks for your feedback, Danny!

Ludo’.

Message #26 received at 35585 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian <at> pelzflorian.de>
To: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Danny Milosavljevic <dannym <at> scratchpost.org>, 35585 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#35585: GRUB does not work with USB keyboards when using
 keyboard-layout
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 14:23:46 +0200

On Wed, May 08, 2019 at 12:03:21PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> Florian, can you check whether removing the line fixes the issue for
> you?
> 

Yes, it fixes having no keyboard input at all on my Macbook (the
layout is not applied though).

On Wed, May 08, 2019 at 12:09:45AM +0200, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrote:
> On Tue, May 07, 2019 at 06:39:14PM +0200, Danny Milosavljevic wrote:
> > Why is it specified at all?  If it's not specified, it will default to
> > the "platform native" inputs which means the ones available in the source code
> > for that platform.  So aren't we complicating our life for no reason by
> > specifying it in the first place?
> 
> On my Macbook, omitting the terminal_input line works fine; I can use
> the keyboard.  The layout for passphrase and boot menu remains US
> English though, as it always was for the passphrase and as it was with
> terminal_input usb_keyboard.  But this is much better than no
> keyboard in the boot menu at all (and I prefer US English anyway).
> 
> Thank you for sharing your expertise Danny!
> 
> Regards,
> Florian
> 
> 
> 

Regards,
Florian

Message #31 received at 35585-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
To: "pelzflorian \(Florian Pelz\)" <pelzflorian <at> pelzflorian.de>
Cc: Danny Milosavljevic <dannym <at> scratchpost.org>, 35585-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#35585: GRUB does not work with USB keyboards when using
 keyboard-layout
Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 12:14:57 +0200

"pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian <at> pelzflorian.de> skribis:

> On Wed, May 08, 2019 at 12:03:21PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
>> Florian, can you check whether removing the line fixes the issue for
>> you?
>> 
>
> Yes, it fixes having no keyboard input at all on my Macbook (the
> layout is not applied though).

I’ve removed the ‘terminal_input at_keyboard’ line in
cae0725b809449dcdebc2d84cf997e051e689e06.

Ludo’.

Message #34 received at 35585-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Danny Milosavljevic <dannym <at> scratchpost.org>
To: "pelzflorian \(Florian Pelz\)" <pelzflorian <at> pelzflorian.de>
Cc: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>,
 35585-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#35585: GRUB does not work with USB keyboards when using
 keyboard-layout
Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 14:52:45 +0200

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Hi Florian,

> "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian <at> pelzflorian.de> skribis:
> Yes, it fixes having no keyboard input at all on my Macbook (the
> layout is not applied though).  

As for the layout not being applied, can you please report a bug with grub
upstream?  I've checked grub-core/term/usb_keyboard.c and they usually do
call grub_term_map_key in parse_keycode--so it should work.  Hmm...

(Your Grub config is in /boot/grub/grub.cfg--maybe they want it)

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Message #37 received at 35585-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Giovanni Biscuolo <g <at> xelera.eu>
To: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 35585-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#35585: GRUB does not work with USB keyboards when using
 keyboard-layout
Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 15:59:03 +0200

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Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org> writes:

[...]

> I’ve removed the ‘terminal_input at_keyboard’ line in
> cae0725b809449dcdebc2d84cf997e051e689e06.

the commit message states

 bootloader: grub: Remove unneeded 'terminal_output'

but I guess should be 'terminal_input' :-)

Gio'

[...]

-- 
Giovanni Biscuolo

Xelera IT Infrastructures

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Message #40 received at 35585-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
To: Giovanni Biscuolo <g <at> xelera.eu>
Cc: 35585-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#35585: GRUB does not work with USB keyboards when using
 keyboard-layout
Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 22:34:37 +0200

Giovanni Biscuolo <g <at> xelera.eu> skribis:

> Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
> [...]
>
>> I’ve removed the ‘terminal_input at_keyboard’ line in
>> cae0725b809449dcdebc2d84cf997e051e689e06.
>
> the commit message states
>
>  bootloader: grub: Remove unneeded 'terminal_output'
>
> but I guess should be 'terminal_input' :-)

Oops, indeed, sorry for the confusion!

Ludo’.

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