Received: (at 70562) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 May 2024 07:19:00 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 09 03:19:00 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53557 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1s4y3P-00073p-Pu for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 May 2024 03:19:00 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34430) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1s4y3J-00073a-3d for 70562 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 May 2024 03:18:58 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1s4y2l-0005Tj-7L; Thu, 09 May 2024 03:18:19 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=4u4/5rpN/0p6AZOshiyRAb/M7TR3/Ua2mA7a239GvEQ=; b=bF/lJcEt1l5P2LL26EaS cLO/m15WJ1QUWRywFJGLiA9D8/jGTo5jG0z7leEEUQ/KsZ3SHpVMvUGcfqeV5agLYr6QOPIMQQXuk +WB4WQRcF7eqh2IJjq/Rthkgn9ApOVmRQP3G3eJr+6K6+9nOI+KQyLrz6MKzw45EbdetKVAK7ixTc 0nQViJie1DDrqmhPjL5EW8tgSip1Q/ItNOpmonFdz5AvAQPbDEcTwVOZ0figyFdChVToZJCsSQaEc GeRnWKK8o6IU/t1q925DFXd7sp8Wcm3An9ZImbzaW7LoBaYG9LQenySEiQh7jRbWcGs0qKSH7rh2i IPoiByH3FBn31w==; Date: Thu, 09 May 2024 10:18:14 +0300 Message-Id: <865xvn8nd5.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <877cgmorkm.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Philip Kaludercic on Thu, 25 Apr 2024 06:59:53 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#70562: Trouble using Vim under Emacs's ansi-term References: <WdadJvFzdWIPud99damsJTiRXHgFw1xNZiXJUgCuAcgOGk8G8KjtHSXAfroeHoXjw8CC0Nlz2-MPi7Dhn_UnL8r4B01ECMVOQ0Ipi8lGWJ0=@cjshayward.com> <877cgmorkm.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 70562 Cc: 70562 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, cjsh@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Ping! Christos, could you please answer Philip's questions, and perhaps try a newer version of Emacs? > Cc: 70562 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2024 06:59:53 +0000 > > "C.J.S. Hayward" <cjsh@HIDDEN> writes: > > > I have Emacs 21 as installed from Linux Mint Victoria. > > Do I understand correctly, that you are using Emacs 21, released > somewhere between 2001 and 2005? > > > I am a long-time Vim user interested in a proportional font terminal, > > such as is mostly provided by Emacs Evil mode or local or (ssh) remote > > Vim, but I have experienced consistent issues using vim under Emacs's > > ansi-term. > > > > I haven't been able to pin down that if you edit a particular document > > and attempt a particular set of keystrokes, issues arise. However, I > > have had issues with Emacs thinking it is one line higher or lower > > than it really is, so that commenting out a line of JavaScript > > comments out a different line from what the user intended (and what it > > appears), and random freezing. > > > > I believe that if you have a volunteer who is comfortable using Vim, > > and ask said user to use Vim under Emacs's ansi-term for half an hour > > (I have not been able to discern different behavior between local Vim > > processes and those ssh'ed into a Linux server), the odd behaviors I > > have experienced will be reproduced. Based on my own experience, I > > believe some inappropriate behavior will probably be noticeable in 2-5 > > minutes, but I mention half an hour as adding slop. > > I am comfortable enough with vi(m) and I tried out some non-trivial text > manipulation but couldn't notice anything wrong. If you are actually > using Emacs 21, then it might be that in the ~20 years since its release > the bugs causing the issues you have been having have been resolved? I > would also recommend trying out the ELPA package "eat" as an alternative > terminal emulator, but that would also require a newer version of Emacs. > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Unworthy Br. Christos Hayward (really, thou / thee / thy / thine), novice at St. Demetrios Orthodox Monastery. > > > > Most recent posting: A Note to Single Evangelical Women > > > > Websites: > > > > C.J.S. Hayward: Official Author Site (Bookshelf)Official Substack > > Orthodox Church Fathers > > The Powered Access Bible > > Scrolls of Wonder > > > > > > > > > > -- > Philip Kaludercic on peregrine > > > >
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Hayward's message of "Wed, 24 Apr 2024 17:42:41 +0000") References: <WdadJvFzdWIPud99damsJTiRXHgFw1xNZiXJUgCuAcgOGk8G8KjtHSXAfroeHoXjw8CC0Nlz2-MPi7Dhn_UnL8r4B01ECMVOQ0Ipi8lGWJ0=@cjshayward.com> OpenPGP: id=7126E1DE2F0CE35C770BED01F2C3CC513DB89F66; url="https://keys.openpgp.org/vks/v1/by-fingerprint/7126E1DE2F0CE35C770BED01F2C3CC513DB89F66"; preference=signencrypt Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2024 06:59:53 +0000 Message-ID: <877cgmorkm.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 70562 Cc: 70562 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) "C.J.S. Hayward" <cjsh@HIDDEN> writes: > I have Emacs 21 as installed from Linux Mint Victoria. Do I understand correctly, that you are using Emacs 21, released somewhere between 2001 and 2005? > I am a long-time Vim user interested in a proportional font terminal, > such as is mostly provided by Emacs Evil mode or local or (ssh) remote > Vim, but I have experienced consistent issues using vim under Emacs's > ansi-term. > > I haven't been able to pin down that if you edit a particular document > and attempt a particular set of keystrokes, issues arise. However, I > have had issues with Emacs thinking it is one line higher or lower > than it really is, so that commenting out a line of JavaScript > comments out a different line from what the user intended (and what it > appears), and random freezing. > > I believe that if you have a volunteer who is comfortable using Vim, > and ask said user to use Vim under Emacs's ansi-term for half an hour > (I have not been able to discern different behavior between local Vim > processes and those ssh'ed into a Linux server), the odd behaviors I > have experienced will be reproduced. Based on my own experience, I > believe some inappropriate behavior will probably be noticeable in 2-5 > minutes, but I mention half an hour as adding slop. I am comfortable enough with vi(m) and I tried out some non-trivial text manipulation but couldn't notice anything wrong. If you are actually using Emacs 21, then it might be that in the ~20 years since its release the bugs causing the issues you have been having have been resolved? I would also recommend trying out the ELPA package "eat" as an alternative terminal emulator, but that would also require a newer version of Emacs. > > Thanks, > > > Unworthy Br. Christos Hayward=C2=A0(really, thou / thee / thy / thine), n= ovice at St. Demetrios Orthodox Monastery. > > Most recent posting:=C2=A0A Note to Single Evangelical Women > > Websites: > > C.J.S. Hayward: Official Author Site (Bookshelf)Official Substack > Orthodox Church Fathers > The Powered Access Bible > Scrolls of Wonder > > > > --=20 Philip Kaludercic on peregrine
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