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[PATCH] Remove duplicated asserts and checks

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Package: emacs; Reported by: Sergey Vinokurov <serg.foo@HIDDEN>; Keywords: patch wontfix; Done: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>; Maintainer for emacs is bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
bug closed, send any further explanations to 69953 <at> debbugs.gnu.org and Sergey Vinokurov <serg.foo@HIDDEN> Request was from Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. Full text available.
Added tag(s) wontfix. Request was from Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. Full text available.

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tags 69953 wontfix
close 69953
thanks

> Cc: serg.foo@HIDDEN, 69953 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2024 11:27:41 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
> 
> Ping! Ping!  Philipp and Daniel, any comments?
> 
> > Cc: serg.foo@HIDDEN, 69953 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> > Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2024 10:42:50 +0300
> > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
> > 
> > Ping! Philipp and Daniel, do you have any comments on this?
> > 
> > > Cc: Philipp Stephani <phst@HIDDEN>, 69953 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
> > >  Daniel Colascione <dancol@HIDDEN>
> > > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2024 09:15:04 +0200
> > > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
> > > 
> > > > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2024 03:27:34 +0000
> > > > From: Sergey Vinokurov <serg.foo@HIDDEN>
> > > > 
> > > > I noticed that emacs-module.c contains duplicate 
> > > > module_non_local_exit_check() checks and 
> > > > module_assert_thread/module_assert_env asserts, mostly performed at the 
> > > > same point in program sequentially.
> > > > 
> > > > The module_non_local_exit_check() checks happen in 
> > > > MODULE_HANDLE_NONLOCAL_EXIT and MODULE_FUNCTION_BEGIN_NO_CATCH macros. 
> > > > The MODULE_HANDLE_NONLOCAL_EXIT is never used by itself, only as part of 
> > > > MODULE_FUNCTION_BEGIN which starts with MODULE_FUNCTION_BEGIN_NO_CATCH 
> > > > that performs the check.
> > > > 
> > > > In addition, there're 6 "Implementation of runtime and environment 
> > > > functions" rules outlined where MODULE_HANDLE_NONLOCAL_EXIT should be 
> > > > called at step 4 but module_non_local_exit_check() is supposed to have 
> > > > already happened at step 3 so documentation does not seem to intend for 
> > > > the check to be repeated in MODULE_HANDLE_NONLOCAL_EXIT.
> > > > 
> > > > Regarding asserts my observation is that module_non_local_exit_check() 
> > > > already contains module_assert_thread and module_assert_env so there's 
> > > > no need to do asserts if first thing we do is call 
> > > > module_non_local_exit_check.
> > > 
> > > Thanks, but why is that a problem?  module_assertions is false by
> > > default, and the function to turn on module assertions is not even
> > > documented in the ELisp manual.  IOW, this is a debugging aid which
> > > will rarely if at all activated, and if it is, that's on purpose by
> > > the programmer who is investigating some tricky problem.  Why is it a
> > > problem to have too many assertions, which might help that programmer
> > > find a bug?
> > > 
> > > I added Daniel and Philipp to the discussion, in case they have
> > > comments to this proposal.

Given the lack of comments, I conclude that there's no interest in
installing this, and I'm therefore closing this bug.




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Ping! Ping!  Philipp and Daniel, any comments?

> Cc: serg.foo@HIDDEN, 69953 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2024 10:42:50 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
> 
> Ping! Philipp and Daniel, do you have any comments on this?
> 
> > Cc: Philipp Stephani <phst@HIDDEN>, 69953 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
> >  Daniel Colascione <dancol@HIDDEN>
> > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2024 09:15:04 +0200
> > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
> > 
> > > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2024 03:27:34 +0000
> > > From: Sergey Vinokurov <serg.foo@HIDDEN>
> > > 
> > > I noticed that emacs-module.c contains duplicate 
> > > module_non_local_exit_check() checks and 
> > > module_assert_thread/module_assert_env asserts, mostly performed at the 
> > > same point in program sequentially.
> > > 
> > > The module_non_local_exit_check() checks happen in 
> > > MODULE_HANDLE_NONLOCAL_EXIT and MODULE_FUNCTION_BEGIN_NO_CATCH macros. 
> > > The MODULE_HANDLE_NONLOCAL_EXIT is never used by itself, only as part of 
> > > MODULE_FUNCTION_BEGIN which starts with MODULE_FUNCTION_BEGIN_NO_CATCH 
> > > that performs the check.
> > > 
> > > In addition, there're 6 "Implementation of runtime and environment 
> > > functions" rules outlined where MODULE_HANDLE_NONLOCAL_EXIT should be 
> > > called at step 4 but module_non_local_exit_check() is supposed to have 
> > > already happened at step 3 so documentation does not seem to intend for 
> > > the check to be repeated in MODULE_HANDLE_NONLOCAL_EXIT.
> > > 
> > > Regarding asserts my observation is that module_non_local_exit_check() 
> > > already contains module_assert_thread and module_assert_env so there's 
> > > no need to do asserts if first thing we do is call 
> > > module_non_local_exit_check.
> > 
> > Thanks, but why is that a problem?  module_assertions is false by
> > default, and the function to turn on module assertions is not even
> > documented in the ELisp manual.  IOW, this is a debugging aid which
> > will rarely if at all activated, and if it is, that's on purpose by
> > the programmer who is investigating some tricky problem.  Why is it a
> > problem to have too many assertions, which might help that programmer
> > find a bug?
> > 
> > I added Daniel and Philipp to the discussion, in case they have
> > comments to this proposal.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 




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Ping! Philipp and Daniel, do you have any comments on this?

> Cc: Philipp Stephani <phst@HIDDEN>, 69953 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
>  Daniel Colascione <dancol@HIDDEN>
> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2024 09:15:04 +0200
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
> 
> > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2024 03:27:34 +0000
> > From: Sergey Vinokurov <serg.foo@HIDDEN>
> > 
> > I noticed that emacs-module.c contains duplicate 
> > module_non_local_exit_check() checks and 
> > module_assert_thread/module_assert_env asserts, mostly performed at the 
> > same point in program sequentially.
> > 
> > The module_non_local_exit_check() checks happen in 
> > MODULE_HANDLE_NONLOCAL_EXIT and MODULE_FUNCTION_BEGIN_NO_CATCH macros. 
> > The MODULE_HANDLE_NONLOCAL_EXIT is never used by itself, only as part of 
> > MODULE_FUNCTION_BEGIN which starts with MODULE_FUNCTION_BEGIN_NO_CATCH 
> > that performs the check.
> > 
> > In addition, there're 6 "Implementation of runtime and environment 
> > functions" rules outlined where MODULE_HANDLE_NONLOCAL_EXIT should be 
> > called at step 4 but module_non_local_exit_check() is supposed to have 
> > already happened at step 3 so documentation does not seem to intend for 
> > the check to be repeated in MODULE_HANDLE_NONLOCAL_EXIT.
> > 
> > Regarding asserts my observation is that module_non_local_exit_check() 
> > already contains module_assert_thread and module_assert_env so there's 
> > no need to do asserts if first thing we do is call 
> > module_non_local_exit_check.
> 
> Thanks, but why is that a problem?  module_assertions is false by
> default, and the function to turn on module assertions is not even
> documented in the ELisp manual.  IOW, this is a debugging aid which
> will rarely if at all activated, and if it is, that's on purpose by
> the programmer who is investigating some tricky problem.  Why is it a
> problem to have too many assertions, which might help that programmer
> find a bug?
> 
> I added Daniel and Philipp to the discussion, in case they have
> comments to this proposal.
> 
> 
> 
> 




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The issue is that the same thing is being checked just after it was 
checked. The checks I propose to remove are not going to catch any new 
errors under any possible scenario.

Even with module_assertions disabled, the assert functions are still 
called - a very minor annoyance.

On 23/03/2024 07:15, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2024 03:27:34 +0000
>> From: Sergey Vinokurov <serg.foo@HIDDEN>
>>
>> I noticed that emacs-module.c contains duplicate
>> module_non_local_exit_check() checks and
>> module_assert_thread/module_assert_env asserts, mostly performed at the
>> same point in program sequentially.
>>
>> The module_non_local_exit_check() checks happen in
>> MODULE_HANDLE_NONLOCAL_EXIT and MODULE_FUNCTION_BEGIN_NO_CATCH macros.
>> The MODULE_HANDLE_NONLOCAL_EXIT is never used by itself, only as part of
>> MODULE_FUNCTION_BEGIN which starts with MODULE_FUNCTION_BEGIN_NO_CATCH
>> that performs the check.
>>
>> In addition, there're 6 "Implementation of runtime and environment
>> functions" rules outlined where MODULE_HANDLE_NONLOCAL_EXIT should be
>> called at step 4 but module_non_local_exit_check() is supposed to have
>> already happened at step 3 so documentation does not seem to intend for
>> the check to be repeated in MODULE_HANDLE_NONLOCAL_EXIT.
>>
>> Regarding asserts my observation is that module_non_local_exit_check()
>> already contains module_assert_thread and module_assert_env so there's
>> no need to do asserts if first thing we do is call
>> module_non_local_exit_check.
> 
> Thanks, but why is that a problem?  module_assertions is false by
> default, and the function to turn on module assertions is not even
> documented in the ELisp manual.  IOW, this is a debugging aid which
> will rarely if at all activated, and if it is, that's on purpose by
> the programmer who is investigating some tricky problem.  Why is it a
> problem to have too many assertions, which might help that programmer
> find a bug?
> 
> I added Daniel and Philipp to the discussion, in case they have
> comments to this proposal.





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> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2024 03:27:34 +0000
> From: Sergey Vinokurov <serg.foo@HIDDEN>
> 
> I noticed that emacs-module.c contains duplicate 
> module_non_local_exit_check() checks and 
> module_assert_thread/module_assert_env asserts, mostly performed at the 
> same point in program sequentially.
> 
> The module_non_local_exit_check() checks happen in 
> MODULE_HANDLE_NONLOCAL_EXIT and MODULE_FUNCTION_BEGIN_NO_CATCH macros. 
> The MODULE_HANDLE_NONLOCAL_EXIT is never used by itself, only as part of 
> MODULE_FUNCTION_BEGIN which starts with MODULE_FUNCTION_BEGIN_NO_CATCH 
> that performs the check.
> 
> In addition, there're 6 "Implementation of runtime and environment 
> functions" rules outlined where MODULE_HANDLE_NONLOCAL_EXIT should be 
> called at step 4 but module_non_local_exit_check() is supposed to have 
> already happened at step 3 so documentation does not seem to intend for 
> the check to be repeated in MODULE_HANDLE_NONLOCAL_EXIT.
> 
> Regarding asserts my observation is that module_non_local_exit_check() 
> already contains module_assert_thread and module_assert_env so there's 
> no need to do asserts if first thing we do is call 
> module_non_local_exit_check.

Thanks, but why is that a problem?  module_assertions is false by
default, and the function to turn on module assertions is not even
documented in the ELisp manual.  IOW, this is a debugging aid which
will rarely if at all activated, and if it is, that's on purpose by
the programmer who is investigating some tricky problem.  Why is it a
problem to have too many assertions, which might help that programmer
find a bug?

I added Daniel and Philipp to the discussion, in case they have
comments to this proposal.




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Hello,

I noticed that emacs-module.c contains duplicate 
module_non_local_exit_check() checks and 
module_assert_thread/module_assert_env asserts, mostly performed at the 
same point in program sequentially.

The module_non_local_exit_check() checks happen in 
MODULE_HANDLE_NONLOCAL_EXIT and MODULE_FUNCTION_BEGIN_NO_CATCH macros. 
The MODULE_HANDLE_NONLOCAL_EXIT is never used by itself, only as part of 
MODULE_FUNCTION_BEGIN which starts with MODULE_FUNCTION_BEGIN_NO_CATCH 
that performs the check.

In addition, there're 6 "Implementation of runtime and environment 
functions" rules outlined where MODULE_HANDLE_NONLOCAL_EXIT should be 
called at step 4 but module_non_local_exit_check() is supposed to have 
already happened at step 3 so documentation does not seem to intend for 
the check to be repeated in MODULE_HANDLE_NONLOCAL_EXIT.

Regarding asserts my observation is that module_non_local_exit_check() 
already contains module_assert_thread and module_assert_env so there's 
no need to do asserts if first thing we do is call 
module_non_local_exit_check.

Regards,
Sergey
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Acknowledgement sent to Sergey Vinokurov <serg.foo@HIDDEN>:
New bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN. Full text available.
Report forwarded to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:
bug#69953; Package emacs. Full text available.
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