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This is not a bug. transient.el is part of Emacs since version 28, see NEWS: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- * New Modes and Packages in Emacs 28.1 ** transient.el This library implements support for powerful keyboard-driven menus. Such menus can be used as simple visual command dispatchers. More complex menus take advantage of infix arguments, which are somewhat similar to prefix arguments, but are more flexible and discoverable. --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- When an user installs Emacs, they expect to have transient as builtin; it is not bundled. I recommend to read the section: * New Modes and Packages in Emacs X in NEWS release files to know which mode or package are included as builtin. And yes, these packages are sometimes developed outside the Emacs tree using a dedicated repository, as transient.el or Org-mode for instance. > Bug 2: no collision handling. This is a bug, IMHO. Indeed, if an user prefers another version of builtin modes or packages, they should not collide with the builtin ones. Well, they do not collide when using =E2=80=9Cguix shell=E2=80=9D: guix shell -C emacs emacs-transient -E TERM -- emacs -q Therefore, maybe the issue comes from some specific code from =E2=80=9Cguix home=E2=80=9D. Hum, I do not know. Cheers, simon
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X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#67292: emacs / emacs-transient collisions and bundling Resent-From: Mekeor Melire <mekeor@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-guix@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 14:45:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.67292.B67292.170075067826187 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 67292 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Maxime Devos <maximedevos@HIDDEN> Cc: 67292 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune@HIDDEN> Received: via spool by 67292-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B67292.170075067826187 (code B ref 67292); Thu, 23 Nov 2023 14:45:02 +0000 Received: (at 67292) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2023 14:44:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32980 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1r6AwX-0006oH-Jp for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 09:44:38 -0500 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:36607) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <mekeor@HIDDEN>) id 1r6AwU-0006ny-AZ for 67292 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 09:44:36 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 280F124002A for <67292 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 15:44:24 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.de; s=2017; t=1700750664; bh=ifTr/ne4iaJszB2H2WHlV09N+xG8rMHhbarDxARrLsY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Transfer-Encoding:From; b=hZaPGuR22pag3QLmzfaOxYyLayEnQO76JZiif5teDrftnxSAvdCrqvg6UtPFDWT64 LylmmrAnWcmBAwNo9PhYqTADAyQAqkvsEkor8fwhW+Buv/33K9obeTH/fHgCurfJva RrcsnuuGsUvH3/j4CiMC6ukoX0bk4DMeffPTVrCC8OL3eQX7g74/RCwcPBLVhYiRfB Eq/9t1GbtPjLAv5keSk6GIif3wESw05O7mcxU5y60anNmwA6/tPyrCZibGdFGSJgSM sVaRzc4qPt14UlWgEXr/PocV7oLo+QBRhOS9XZMX19pmIubpd+XRJjbER95Shy+xcY oqYYNpJQ4k4Vw== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4SbgqW1Wtvz6txp; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 15:44:23 +0100 (CET) References: <5b74251c-e6ab-bb39-7892-3a792ed6854d@HIDDEN> <86r0kk208a.fsf@HIDDEN> <d7740e36-6c7d-35bf-64c1-2218c3e01198@HIDDEN> From: Mekeor Melire <mekeor@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 14:17:02 +0000 In-reply-to: <d7740e36-6c7d-35bf-64c1-2218c3e01198@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <87jzq8bke0.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hello Maxime, 2023-11-20 13:39 maximedevos@HIDDEN: > Op 20-11-2023 om 11:22 schreef Simon Tournier: > > On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 at 23:44, Maxime Devos=20 > > <maximedevos@HIDDEN> > > wrote: > >> Bug 1: emacs bundles emacs-transient. > >> (Likewise for quite a few other Emacs packages.) > > This is not a bug. transient.el is part of Emacs since=20 > > version 28, > This does not answer how the bundling is not a bug. > > Unbundling is not incompatible with keeping builtins -- for=20 > example, > emacs-minimal could be the =E2=80=98minimalistic Emacs, without the=20 > typical > bundled =E2=80=98built-in=E2=80=99 stuff=E2=80=99, and emacs could be 'em= acs-minimal +=20 > the > unbundled stuff in propagated-inputs=E2=80=99. > > (Well, preferably not propagated, but that's just a matter of=20 > wrapping > or unions etc..) > > Another option could be to unbundle things in the 'source' of=20 > emacs / > emacs-minimal and copy over source code from the=20 > 'emacs-=E2=80=98builtin=E2=80=99' > packages during a build phase. > > (IIUC, emacs-minimal is for compiling Emacs packages and for=20 > scripts, > of which most probably have no need for keyboard-driven menus --=20 > and > if they do have need,) It might be possible to cut out some parts of Emacs so that emacs-minimal i= s more minimal. But I think this could become quite complicated because we = don't know exactly which parts of Emacs are needed to build Emacs-related p= ackages since they might rely on any Elisp code during compile-time. Also, = more generally, it'd be hard to decide which parts are not needed, i.e. whe= re to draw the line etc. All in all, I don't think that it's worth the effo= rt and maintenance. > >> Bug 2: no collision handling. As far as I know, Guix does not provide a facility to prioritize a=20 file from one package over the same file from another package. But also, I don't think this is necessary here, because in a Guix-installed= Emacs, the paths to Guix-installed Emacs-related packages appear first in = Emacs' load-path variable, whereas the paths to the elisp-directories from = Emacs itself come last. Thus, emacs-transient's transient.el is always pref= erred over Emacs' transient.el. Finally, here's a list an incomplete list of Emacs-related packages that ar= e both built into Emacs itself, as well as distributed separately over GNU = Elpa and thus also as separate packages in Guix: emacs-eglot emacs-eldoc emacs-external-completion emacs-jsonrpc emacs-let-alist emacs-map emacs-ntlm emacs-project emacs-so-long emacs-soap-client emacs-use-package emacs-xref If you want to know which built-in packages are distributed separately via = GNU Elpa, search the following file for ":core". Note that only a subset of= those might be packaged separately in Guix. https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/tree/elpa-packages TANGENTIALLY: I'd like to mention that this topic becomes sort of a problem= when (1) you have installed Emacs with "guix install emacs-next --with-bra= nch=3Demacs-next=3Dmaster" or similar; and (2) you installed some Emacs-rel= ated package via Guix, which propagates another Emacs-related package that = is also built into Emacs. This would cause a downgrade of that propagated, = built-in, Emacs-related package. E.g. this happens with emacs-consult-eglot= which propagates emacs-eglot which is also built into Emacs itself. A work= -around is to overwrite the input like this: "guix install emacs-next emacs= -consult-eglot --with-input=3Demacs-eglot=3Demacs-next --with-branch=3Demac= s-next=3Dmaster".
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[194.254.61.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d11-20020adfa40b000000b003142e438e8csm1881519wra.26.2023.11.23.06.58.48 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 23 Nov 2023 06:58:49 -0800 (PST) From: Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <fa20a80b-608b-ec9b-2995-b0c4e865a9b0@HIDDEN> (Maxime Devos's message of "Tue, 21 Nov 2023 19:01:56 +0100") References: <5b74251c-e6ab-bb39-7892-3a792ed6854d@HIDDEN> <86r0kk208a.fsf@HIDDEN> <d7740e36-6c7d-35bf-64c1-2218c3e01198@HIDDEN> <CAJ3okZ3J_n0cbH4_v2s-tXS+BaX56nOf+okB5OZ4Ak-rCHcG2Q@HIDDEN> <fa20a80b-608b-ec9b-2995-b0c4e865a9b0@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:53:02 +0100 Message-ID: <87fs0xpl1t.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) On mar., 21 nov. 2023 at 19:01, Maxime Devos <maximedevos@HIDDEN> wrote: > Yes, it is official, but the question was how the bundling is not a bug (= and > implicitly, whether it is bundling), not whether the bundling is official. The bundling is not a bug because it is how Emacs is developed. The term =E2=80=9Cbundle=E2=80=9C =E2=80=93 which would potentially imply being= unbundled by Guix packagers =E2=80=93 is misleading. Emacs maintainers grant some packages and make them part of Emacs as builtin package; whatever where these packages are developed or if these packages follow another release schedule than the Emacs release schedule. The section =E2=80=9CNew Modes and Packages in Emacs X.Y=E2=80= =9D of the NEWS file for each release (NEWS.28, NEWS,27, etc.) lists such promoted packages. Please note that Emacs 29 introduces a =E2=80=9CNew user option 'package-install-upgrade-built-in'=E2=80=9D, as mentioned in NEWS. For instance, the packages widget.el or woman.el or many others were initially developed outside the Savannah Emacs tree, then integrated (being promoted builtin), and now the original development location is gone =E2=80=93 which means all the maintenance burden for these builtin pac= kages is now done by Emacs maintainers. Once builtin, the code of a package distributed with GNU Emacs is maintained by Emacs maintainers and fully part of GNU Emacs. As explicitly commented in the header of transient.el that comes with Emacs: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- ;;; transient.el --- Transient commands -*- lexical-binding:t -*- ;; Copyright (C) 2018-2023 Free Software Foundation, Inc. ;; Author: Jonas Bernoulli <jonas@HIDDEN> ;; URL: https://github.com/magit/transient [...] ;; This file is part of GNU Emacs. --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- The collision is a bug. The report of bundled is not a bug. Cheers, simon
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