X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#5974: 23.1.95; enabling disabled cmd & saving doesn't respect `custom-file' Resent-From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner <at> debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:24:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.5974.B.12716941882284 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: report 5974 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> Received: via spool by submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B.12716941882284 (code B ref -1); Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:24:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Apr 2010 16:23:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1O3tka-0000an-Df for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:23:08 -0400 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <drew.adams@HIDDEN>) id 1O3tkX-0000aJ-7X for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:23:06 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:46041) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <drew.adams@HIDDEN>) id 1O3tkR-0007OB-UW for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:23:00 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1O3tkQ-00039k-Nx for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:22:58 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=60359 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O3tkP-000389-7i for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:22:58 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.0 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <drew.adams@HIDDEN>) id 1O3tkN-0006OJ-O2 for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:22:57 -0400 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:42281) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <drew.adams@HIDDEN>) id 1O3tkJ-0006ND-OS for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:22:55 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o3JGMmY2026036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:22:50 GMT Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o3IBtd3C001731 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:22:47 GMT Received: from abhmt004.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 171321481271694161; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:22:41 -0700 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:22:40 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:22:39 -0700 Message-ID: <88CA29C22E7A4FA88C1900F16C25CD5C@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acrf3IeIbHzg0CVSTY6F/ZnaV/zm1w== X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-Source-IP: acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090204.4BCC835A.0125:SCFMA922111,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/pipermail/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) I have `custom-file' set to a particular file, different from my .emacs (actually, I use `_emacs' on Windows). I just tried `C-x n p'. I thought that I had enabled it years ago, but apparently not. I hit `y' to enable it, then `y' to save it. A message said that the customization was being saved to my `_emacs' file. And it was in fact saved there. That is wrong. I have a separate `custom-file' specifically so that customization does not mess with my init file. In GNU Emacs 23.1.95.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2010-04-03 on G41R2F1 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/imagesupport/include'
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X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#5974: 23.1.95; enabling disabled cmd & saving doesn't respect `custom-file' Resent-From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner <at> debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:07:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.5974.B5974.12716968135149 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5974 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: <5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Received: via spool by 5974-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B5974.12716968135149 (code B ref 5974); Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:07:01 +0000 Received: (at 5974) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Apr 2010 17:06:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1O3uQv-0001L0-5n for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:06:53 -0400 Received: from acsinet12.oracle.com ([141.146.126.234]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <drew.adams@HIDDEN>) id 1O3uQt-0001Kv-LG for 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:06:52 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by acsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o3JH6i8h010672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for <5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:06:46 GMT Received: from acsmt355.oracle.com (acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o3JEOjcg006415 for <5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:06:43 GMT Received: from abhmt015.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 188222521271696797; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:06:37 -0700 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:06:36 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@HIDDEN> References: <88CA29C22E7A4FA88C1900F16C25CD5C@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:06:37 -0700 Message-ID: <2DE3CE1B97924EF7AC9E8FC1C447AF1B@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <88CA29C22E7A4FA88C1900F16C25CD5C@HIDDEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acrf3IeIbHzg0CVSTY6F/ZnaV/zm1wABcTWA X-Source-IP: acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A0B0207.4BCC8DA4.0139:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/pipermail/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) > I have `custom-file' set to a particular file, different from > my .emacs (actually, I use `_emacs' on Windows). > > I just tried `C-x n p'. I thought that I had enabled it years ago, but > apparently not. I hit `y' to enable it, then `y' to save it. A message > said that the customization was being saved to my `_emacs' > file. And it was in fact saved there. > > That is wrong. I have a separate `custom-file' specifically so that > customization does not mess with my init file. There is no option or face that corresponds to this kind of customization, so I guess this is not so much a bug as an enhancement request: If a user has defined variable `custom-file', then code that enables or disables commands should place the proper `put' sexp in the `custom-file', not in the init file.
X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#5974: 23.1.95; enabling disabled cmd & saving doesn't respect `custom-file' Resent-From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner <at> debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:24:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.5974.B5974.12716977875615 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5974 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@HIDDEN> Cc: 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 5974-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B5974.12716977875615 (code B ref 5974); Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:24:02 +0000 Received: (at 5974) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Apr 2010 17:23:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1O3ugc-0001SW-Qb for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:23:06 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <monnier@HIDDEN>) id 1O3uga-0001SA-Ot for 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:23:05 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAF0uzEvO+LLb/2dsb2JhbACbd3K9IYUOBItr X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,236,1270440000"; d="scan'208";a="61194714" Received: from 206-248-178-219.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.178.219]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 19 Apr 2010 13:22:59 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 832DA7FAE; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:22:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <jwvochf9x5t.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> References: <88CA29C22E7A4FA88C1900F16C25CD5C@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:22:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: <88CA29C22E7A4FA88C1900F16C25CD5C@HIDDEN> (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:22:39 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/pipermail/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) > That is wrong. I have a separate `custom-file' specifically so that > customization does not mess with my init file. The reason for it is that enabling disabling such commands is not done via Custom (and indeed, I don't think you can do it from Custom currently). But I guess it would make sense to extend the meaning of `custom-file' from "the things managed by Custom" to "any Emacs-generated config code". This said, the easiest way to get this result is to make `enable-command' use Custom somehow. Stefan
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X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#5974: 23.1.95; enabling disabled cmd & saving doesn't respect `custom-file' Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 21:54:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.5974.B5974.146179398628760 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5974 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> Cc: 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> Received: via spool by 5974-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B5974.146179398628760 (code B ref 5974); Wed, 27 Apr 2016 21:54:01 +0000 Received: (at 5974) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Apr 2016 21:53:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50878 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1avXOM-0007To-2V for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 17:53:06 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:51131) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1avXOK-0007Td-9V for 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 17:53:04 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1avXOH-0004Fc-HI; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 23:53:03 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> References: <88CA29C22E7A4FA88C1900F16C25CD5C@HIDDEN> <jwvochf9x5t.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 23:53:01 +0200 In-Reply-To: <jwvochf9x5t.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:22:59 -0400") Message-ID: <87k2jisoqq.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes: >> That is wrong. I have a separate `custom-file' specifically so that >> customization does not mess with my init file. > > The reason for it is that enabling disabling such commands is not done > via Custom (and indeed, I don't think you can do it from Custom > currently). > > But I guess it would make sense to extend the meaning of `custom-file' > from "the things managed by Custom" to "any Emacs-generated config code". > This said, the easiest way to get this result is to make > `enable-command' use Custom somehow. That's the code that puts (put 'narrow-to-region 'disabled nil) into our .emacs files, right? Yes, it would be better if that was handled by Custom. But how? Custom works by setting (variable) values, not adjusting symbol properties... Hm... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#5974: 23.1.95; enabling disabled cmd & saving doesn't respect `custom-file' Resent-From: Nicolas Richard <nrichard@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 10:42:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.5974.B5974.14618400746566 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5974 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>, 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 5974-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B5974.14618400746566 (code B ref 5974); Thu, 28 Apr 2016 10:42:01 +0000 Received: (at 5974) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Apr 2016 10:41:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51273 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1avjNi-0001hq-7E for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 06:41:14 -0400 Received: from mxin.ulb.ac.be ([164.15.128.112]:32546) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <nrichard@HIDDEN>) id 1avjNc-0001hd-KF for 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 06:41:12 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqkEABLoIVekD4Xx/2dsb2JhbABegmeCIbt3hg8CgW8BAQEBAQFmJ4RCAQEEeRAIAyElDwEESROIKr8YhAcBAQgCAR2GIYRLihMBBJgQj2iHW4VljzBigjaBNzowiTYBAQE Received: from mathsrv4.ulb.ac.be (HELO localhost) ([164.15.133.241]) by smtp.ulb.ac.be with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 28 Apr 2016 12:41:07 +0200 From: Nicolas Richard <nrichard@HIDDEN> References: <88CA29C22E7A4FA88C1900F16C25CD5C@HIDDEN> <jwvochf9x5t.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <87k2jisoqq.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 12:41:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87k2jisoqq.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 27 Apr 2016 23:53:01 +0200") Message-ID: <87k2jiuibb.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > That's the code that puts > > (put 'narrow-to-region 'disabled nil) > > into our .emacs files, right? Yes, it would be better if that was > handled by Custom. But how? Custom works by setting (variable) values, > not adjusting symbol properties... We could add a defcustom like (defcustom enabled-commands nil "List of commands to enable" :set (lambda (sym val) (dolist (cmd val) (put cmd 'disabled nil)) (set-default sym val))) (code 100% untested) -- Nicolas Richard
X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#5974: 23.1.95; enabling disabled cmd & saving doesn't respect `custom-file' Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 22:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.5974.B5974.14618842833100 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5974 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Nicolas Richard <nrichard@HIDDEN> Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>, 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 5974-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B5974.14618842833100 (code B ref 5974); Thu, 28 Apr 2016 22:59:01 +0000 Received: (at 5974) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Apr 2016 22:58:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53702 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1avush-0000nc-Cb for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 18:58:02 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:38808) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1avusc-0000nQ-76 for 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 18:57:57 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1avusV-0001R4-DT; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 00:57:51 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> References: <88CA29C22E7A4FA88C1900F16C25CD5C@HIDDEN> <jwvochf9x5t.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <87k2jisoqq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k2jiuibb.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 00:57:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87k2jiuibb.fsf@HIDDEN> (Nicolas Richard's message of "Thu, 28 Apr 2016 12:41:12 +0200") Message-ID: <874mal2vf9.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Nicolas Richard <nrichard@HIDDEN> writes: > Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: >> That's the code that puts >> >> (put 'narrow-to-region 'disabled nil) >> >> into our .emacs files, right? Yes, it would be better if that was >> handled by Custom. But how? Custom works by setting (variable) values, >> not adjusting symbol properties... > > We could add a defcustom like > (defcustom enabled-commands nil > "List of commands to enable" > :set (lambda (sym val) > (dolist (cmd val) > (put cmd 'disabled nil)) > (set-default sym val))) Hm... the `set-default' wouldn't be necessary, would it? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#5974: 23.1.95; enabling disabled cmd & saving doesn't respect `custom-file' Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 23:09:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.5974.B5974.14618849274044 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5974 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Nicolas Richard <nrichard@HIDDEN> Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>, 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 5974-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B5974.14618849274044 (code B ref 5974); Thu, 28 Apr 2016 23:09:01 +0000 Received: (at 5974) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Apr 2016 23:08:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53706 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1avv38-000139-N2 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 19:08:47 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:38928) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1avv33-00012y-Ha for 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 19:08:45 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1avv2w-0001XG-Mz; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 01:08:38 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> References: <88CA29C22E7A4FA88C1900F16C25CD5C@HIDDEN> <jwvochf9x5t.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <87k2jisoqq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k2jiuibb.fsf@HIDDEN> <874mal2vf9.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 01:08:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: <874mal2vf9.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 29 Apr 2016 00:57:46 +0200") Message-ID: <87zisd1gct.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > Nicolas Richard <nrichard@HIDDEN> writes: > >> Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: >>> That's the code that puts >>> >>> (put 'narrow-to-region 'disabled nil) >>> >>> into our .emacs files, right? Yes, it would be better if that was >>> handled by Custom. But how? Custom works by setting (variable) values, >>> not adjusting symbol properties... >> >> We could add a defcustom like >> (defcustom enabled-commands nil >> "List of commands to enable" >> :set (lambda (sym val) >> (dolist (cmd val) >> (put cmd 'disabled nil)) >> (set-default sym val))) > > Hm... the `set-default' wouldn't be necessary, would it? But otherwise this seems like a good idea. We do potentially have clobbering definitions -- where there is a (put 'narrow-to-region 'disabled nil) in the buffer, and then it's also customised... But I don't really think this is much of a problem in practice. If that defcustom form works, then I'm all for changing over the enabled-command stuff to customise. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#5974: 23.1.95; enabling disabled cmd & saving doesn't respect `custom-file' Resent-From: Nicolas Richard <nrichard@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:26:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.5974.B5974.14619399107412 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5974 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>, 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 5974-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B5974.14619399107412 (code B ref 5974); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:26:02 +0000 Received: (at 5974) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2016 14:25:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55379 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1aw9Lu-0001vQ-9y for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 10:25:09 -0400 Received: from mxin.ulb.ac.be ([164.15.128.112]:39265) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <nrichard@HIDDEN>) id 1aw9Lp-0001un-By for 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 10:25:05 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqcEAIRtI1ekD4WM/2dsb2JhbABdwH2GEAKBdgEBAQEBAWYnhEIBBXkFCwgDISUPAUcGiD3ALoQghiGETIoTBZgTl0OFZY8wYoI2gTc6iTEBAQE Received: from pno-math-140.ulb.ac.be (HELO Aurora) ([164.15.133.140]) by smtp.ulb.ac.be with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 29 Apr 2016 16:21:44 +0200 References: <88CA29C22E7A4FA88C1900F16C25CD5C@HIDDEN> <jwvochf9x5t.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <87k2jisoqq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k2jiuibb.fsf@HIDDEN> <874mal2vf9.fsf@HIDDEN> User-agent: mu4e 0.9.17; emacs 25.0.50.2 From: Nicolas Richard <nrichard@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <874mal2vf9.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:21:43 +0200 Message-ID: <86wpngwl54.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > Nicolas Richard <nrichard@HIDDEN> writes: > >> Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: >>> That's the code that puts >>> >>> (put 'narrow-to-region 'disabled nil) >>> >>> into our .emacs files, right? Yes, it would be better if that was >>> handled by Custom. But how? Custom works by setting (variable) values, >>> not adjusting symbol properties... >> >> We could add a defcustom like >> (defcustom enabled-commands nil >> "List of commands to enable" >> :set (lambda (sym val) >> (dolist (cmd val) >> (put cmd 'disabled nil)) >> (set-default sym val))) > > Hm... the `set-default' wouldn't be necessary, would it? I think it is necessary, for if you eval: (progn (defcustom enabled-commands nil "List of commands to enable" :set (lambda (sym val) (dolist (cmd val) (put cmd 'disabled nil)) ;; (set-default sym val) )) (customize-set-variable 'enabled-commands '(upcase-region)) (describe-variable 'enabled-commands)) you obtain "enabled-commands is void", which is confusing. It probably also becomes impossible to keep track of which commands were enabled via customize. Nicolas.
X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#5974: 23.1.95; enabling disabled cmd & saving doesn't respect `custom-file' Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:31:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.5974.B5974.14619402107899 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5974 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Nicolas Richard <nrichard@HIDDEN> Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>, 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 5974-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B5974.14619402107899 (code B ref 5974); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:31:02 +0000 Received: (at 5974) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2016 14:30:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55383 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1aw9Qo-00023K-B8 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 10:30:10 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:56688) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1aw9Qm-00023D-Hd for 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 10:30:08 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1aw9Qj-0001dQ-EH; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:30:07 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> References: <88CA29C22E7A4FA88C1900F16C25CD5C@HIDDEN> <jwvochf9x5t.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <87k2jisoqq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k2jiuibb.fsf@HIDDEN> <874mal2vf9.fsf@HIDDEN> <86wpngwl54.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:30:05 +0200 In-Reply-To: <86wpngwl54.fsf@HIDDEN> (Nicolas Richard's message of "Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:21:43 +0200") Message-ID: <87twik5vyq.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Nicolas Richard <nrichard@HIDDEN> writes: > It probably also becomes impossible to keep track of which commands > were enabled via customize. Ah, yes. That's true. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#5974: 23.1.95; enabling disabled cmd & saving doesn't respect `custom-file' Resent-From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.5974.B5974.146194751117915 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5974 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, Nicolas Richard <nrichard@HIDDEN> Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>, 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 5974-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B5974.146194751117915 (code B ref 5974); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:32:02 +0000 Received: (at 5974) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2016 16:31:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55620 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1awBKZ-0004el-Fe for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:31:51 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:30119) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <drew.adams@HIDDEN>) id 1awBKX-0004ZA-SC for 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:31:50 -0400 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u3TGVhoH009566 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:31:43 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3TGVhMW025911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:31:43 GMT Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u3TGVg3r002063; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:31:42 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <dc9618d1-e1fd-4feb-8545-101a0a5c2de1@default> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:31:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> References: <88CA29C22E7A4FA88C1900F16C25CD5C@HIDDEN> <jwvochf9x5t.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <87k2jisoqq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k2jiuibb.fsf@HIDDEN> <874mal2vf9.fsf@HIDDEN> <86wpngwl54.fsf@HIDDEN> <87twik5vyq.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87twik5vyq.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Please. You guys have hijacked this bug report to speculate about using Customize to handle enabling/disabling commands Please start a new bug thread - or better yet an emacs-devel thread - for that. THIS bug report is about the fact that if a user has a `custom-file' the enabling gets recorded to ~/.emacs instead. That's just plain wrong. Surely this bug can be fixed independently of your thoughts about a new design/feature for letting Customize handle enabling more generally. You can always revisit this case after you've implemented whatever you dream up for that, but this bug is not that enhancement.
X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#5974: 23.1.95; enabling disabled cmd & saving doesn't respect `custom-file' Resent-From: Nicolas Richard <youngfrog@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 20:21:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.5974.B5974.146196125313760 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5974 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>, 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 5974-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B5974.146196125313760 (code B ref 5974); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 20:21:02 +0000 Received: (at 5974) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2016 20:20:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55920 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1awEuC-0003Zs-Pk for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:20:52 -0400 Received: from nm28-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com ([212.82.97.62]:44812) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <youngfrog@HIDDEN>) id 1awEuB-0003Zh-HT for 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:20:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1461961245; bh=szA8QId0j1Cx9tCbD7uiEFqCeXzSmnQqVoO5pWQ1Hok=; h=References:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-reply-to:Date:From:Subject; b=uHYhNk3MRjvcp5jYdv0pSXYweelTY5w6aW9W/CKk1Z3FHcwVGErLJRaTaFGAJyMaM7vRDJBKFUnsh9UhNIZVXZGNJXEl7ZgPvl1DG7QnnJ95bsyVBGeqYmVCQ1qjQcIi2ihqGUMICrRBsgYvhakXXGPf/1YCQBgNjswD0M45hJ0U/ttvonMWNvH/GgQMj5IPwL8sogpH9j78wyav2XvbNXZqbUz0m9NON+CUFFijGkiEpje0lzf02sS/sOX937A4qxL2QYefrY11UV/LmJ5MQdpTx91DIcUf09pYTh4EFIG9qJffkHLpijH5mMbujddfyTXnKnOuhZLXXmzVpDmVBw== Received: from [212.82.98.50] by nm28.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2016 20:20:45 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.85] by tm3.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2016 20:20:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp122.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2016 20:20:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 620645.16443.bm@HIDDEN X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: bdfSFX4VM1nE0tPuOQyuafIwDnYrm6lrB61kDAQG__w7oM8 h0nC1Kqfwu0NMsbU4WbD6lATxdUFV2nYoIC6qTM6QeYkJlc4diwl09O.UkXH DtIHyBCPPHni5mdt7CVdGgImmEdyWSV8sBoG3XPXKLXwuTCjw8PLOCmD8GYr CKKOF1YoP9yGfNzcPU09dTQ12QCUopo3xiM3cpW2Hmzn6bd0MEHCnZ.2apNv 8XJMeC1ew09jjTDidRLvcYlDg0cgOKWgbgria_3T6YMfbCcc1ItV_HTiF04K a4Drbj_Vj.0LI1wnw.Nm3sey6BLX2mhFcVSzFe0WmWnKX1AAnBSNmTdUdzyG CbmDfvKPBeZJWh4f7oSYEAz7qGUIuMSKqHMJwqFEMAojSwU9mQBryAJGYrLT NQDPkhBg7mNVQywHeyxkUcBACgHcOSym08brkG05p2oZOp9gtBEkN1tr.3MR Ias1umxpe92m1sRu9wLfkKXJbcmhYLguLw0VTB.sdc5ldKJOhDuJFqRXEcQP kYj3FnHt11HZO8Eu693EZrBO9g2Dl5p8oo1gKdgbw97SwvOut2g-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 62rWct2swBAqKO_y6KiyXe3pZRcxSSoYuFEwRLrH6M41hw-- References: <88CA29C22E7A4FA88C1900F16C25CD5C@HIDDEN> <jwvochf9x5t.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <87k2jisoqq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k2jiuibb.fsf@HIDDEN> <874mal2vf9.fsf@HIDDEN> <86wpngwl54.fsf@HIDDEN> <87twik5vyq.fsf@HIDDEN> <dc9618d1-e1fd-4feb-8545-101a0a5c2de1@default> User-agent: mu4e 0.9.17; emacs 25.0.50.2 From: Nicolas Richard <youngfrog@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <867ffgmajz.fsf@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <dc9618d1-e1fd-4feb-8545-101a0a5c2de1@default> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 22:20:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> writes: > Please. You guys have hijacked this bug report *sigh* > THIS bug report is about the fact that if a user has a > `custom-file' the enabling gets recorded to ~/.emacs instead. > That's just plain wrong. > Surely this bug can be fixed AFAICT there is no bug : the code is behaving as expected and as documented. It's a request for changing the current behaviour. Nicolas.
X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#5974: 23.1.95; enabling disabled cmd & saving doesn't respect `custom-file' Resent-From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 22:33:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.5974.B5974.146196915032332 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5974 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Nicolas Richard <youngfrog@HIDDEN> Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>, 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 5974-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B5974.146196915032332 (code B ref 5974); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 22:33:02 +0000 Received: (at 5974) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2016 22:32:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56114 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1awGxa-0008PQ-Gr for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:32:30 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:41629) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <drew.adams@HIDDEN>) id 1awGxZ-0008PB-11 for 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:32:29 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u3TMWKEA021094 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 22:32:20 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3TMWJUP010847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 22:32:20 GMT Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3TMWHqq029746; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 22:32:19 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <40e52ff4-f5b5-4450-ab8b-f8c07b490ecf@default> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 15:32:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> References: <88CA29C22E7A4FA88C1900F16C25CD5C@HIDDEN> <jwvochf9x5t.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <87k2jisoqq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k2jiuibb.fsf@HIDDEN> <874mal2vf9.fsf@HIDDEN> <86wpngwl54.fsf@HIDDEN> <87twik5vyq.fsf@HIDDEN> <dc9618d1-e1fd-4feb-8545-101a0a5c2de1@default> <867ffgmajz.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <867ffgmajz.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > Surely this bug can be fixed >=20 > AFAICT there is no bug : the code is behaving as expected and as > documented. It's a request for changing the current behaviour. OK; it's an enhancement request (as I mentioned in my last msg before today). Mille excuses for too-quickly calling it a bug. The point of my msg today is that it makes sense to take your interesting side discussion elsewhere.
X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#5974: 23.1.95; enabling disabled cmd & saving doesn't respect `custom-file' Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 22:40:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.5974.B5974.1461969557532 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5974 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> Cc: 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Nicolas Richard <youngfrog@HIDDEN>, Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> Received: via spool by 5974-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B5974.1461969557532 (code B ref 5974); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 22:40:02 +0000 Received: (at 5974) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2016 22:39:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56128 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1awH49-00008W-LL for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:39:17 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:51638) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1awH48-00008O-L8 for 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:39:16 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1awH43-0003rO-Hd; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 00:39:13 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> References: <88CA29C22E7A4FA88C1900F16C25CD5C@HIDDEN> <jwvochf9x5t.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <87k2jisoqq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k2jiuibb.fsf@HIDDEN> <874mal2vf9.fsf@HIDDEN> <86wpngwl54.fsf@HIDDEN> <87twik5vyq.fsf@HIDDEN> <dc9618d1-e1fd-4feb-8545-101a0a5c2de1@default> <867ffgmajz.fsf@HIDDEN> <40e52ff4-f5b5-4450-ab8b-f8c07b490ecf@default> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 00:39:11 +0200 In-Reply-To: <40e52ff4-f5b5-4450-ab8b-f8c07b490ecf@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 29 Apr 2016 15:32:14 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87wpngkpkg.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> writes: > The point of my msg today is that it makes sense to take your > interesting side discussion elsewhere. It's not a side discussion. The `put' things are not going to move to `custom-file', because they have nothing to do with Custom. But they might "in effect" move to `custom-file' if we change how they are implemented. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#5974: 23.1.95; enabling disabled cmd & saving doesn't respect `custom-file' Resent-From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 23:13:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.5974.B5974.146197152216224 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5974 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Cc: 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Nicolas Richard <youngfrog@HIDDEN>, Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> Received: via spool by 5974-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B5974.146197152216224 (code B ref 5974); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 23:13:01 +0000 Received: (at 5974) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2016 23:12:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56176 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1awHZq-0004Da-IP for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 19:12:02 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:26333) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <drew.adams@HIDDEN>) id 1awHZn-0004D6-9A for 5974 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 19:12:00 -0400 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u3TNBqI8021357 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 23:11:52 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3TNBpjI031867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 23:11:51 GMT Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3TNBkWX009886; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 23:11:49 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <c854f27d-5f53-4fc8-a761-7ecfd7c37d32@default> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:11:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> References: <88CA29C22E7A4FA88C1900F16C25CD5C@HIDDEN> <jwvochf9x5t.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <87k2jisoqq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k2jiuibb.fsf@HIDDEN> <874mal2vf9.fsf@HIDDEN> <86wpngwl54.fsf@HIDDEN> <87twik5vyq.fsf@HIDDEN> <dc9618d1-e1fd-4feb-8545-101a0a5c2de1@default> <867ffgmajz.fsf@HIDDEN> <40e52ff4-f5b5-4450-ab8b-f8c07b490ecf@default> <87wpngkpkg.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87wpngkpkg.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > It's not a side discussion. The `put' things are not going to move to > `custom-file', because they have nothing to do with Custom. Good point. I retract my objection. > But they might "in effect" move to `custom-file' if we change how they > are implemented. Actually, now that you've pointed out that they have nothing to do with Customize (options, faces), I wonder whether where they should go. The point of `custom-file' is, on the one hand, to keep automatically written Lisp code from mixing with hand-coded stuff, in ~/.emacs. On the other hand, its point is to gather in one place only stuff that is managed by Customize. Typically (so far), we use other files for other automatically written Lisp code: bookmarks, desktops, package stuff, savehist, saveplace,... Especially since we now have an Emacs-specific default directory for such things, a separate file seems to make sense - not `custom-file' (since this is not managed by Customize) but something else. As for the suggestion that this be handled by Customize: A priori, I'm not too hot for that idea. I think it has enough trouble with options and faces. ;-) But maybe someone has a good reason why it should be Customize that manages these things.
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