GNU bug report logs - #10150
deactive->inactive, inactivate->deactivate spelling fixes

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Reported by: Paul Eggert <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu>

Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:42:02 UTC

Severity: minor

Tags: patch

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From: Paul Eggert <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: deactive->inactive, inactivate->deactivate spelling fixes
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:38:47 -0800
Package: emacs
Severity: minor
Tags: patch

Standard English uses the adjective "inactive" and the verb
"deactivate"; "deactive" and "inactivate" are solecisms.
Emacs is pretty good about following standard usage but departs
from it in a few places in the API.  Here's a patch.  Since we're
in a feature freeze this should wait until after 24.1 is out.

-----

Fix misspellings of "deactivate" and "inactive".

* leim/quail/uni-input.el (ucs-input-deactivate):
Rename from ucs-input-inactivate.
* leim/quail/hangul.el (hangul-input-method-deactivate):
Rename from hangul-input-method-inactivate.
* lisp/emulation/viper-init.el (viper-deactivate-input-method-action):
Rename from viper-inactivate-input-method-action.
(viper-deactivate-input-method):
Rename from viper-inactivate-input-method.
* lisp/follow.el (follow-inactive-menu): Rename from follow-deactive-menu.
* lisp/international/mule-cmds.el (deactivate-input-method):
Rename from inactivate-input-method.
(deactivate-current-input-method-function):
Rename from inactivate-current-input-method-function.
(input-method-deactivate-hook):
Rename from input-method-inactivate-hook.
* lisp/international/quail.el (quail-deactivate):
Rename from quail-inactivate.
* lisp/international/robin.el (robin-deactivate):
Rename from robin-inactivate.

=== modified file 'leim/ChangeLog'
--- leim/ChangeLog	2011-11-20 19:35:27 +0000
+++ leim/ChangeLog	2011-11-27 23:29:49 +0000
@@ -1,3 +1,10 @@
+2011-11-27  Paul Eggert  <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu>
+
+	* quail/uni-input.el (ucs-input-deactivate):
+	Rename from ucs-input-inactivate.
+	* quail/hangul.el (hangul-input-method-deactivate):
+	Rename from hangul-input-method-inactivate.
+
 2011-11-20  Juanma Barranquero  <lekktu <at> gmail.com>
 
 	* quail/hangul.el (hangul-character): Fix typo.

=== modified file 'leim/quail/hangul.el'
--- leim/quail/hangul.el	2011-11-20 19:35:27 +0000
+++ leim/quail/hangul.el	2011-11-27 23:29:49 +0000
@@ -513,7 +513,7 @@
   "Activate Hangul input method INPUT-METHOD.
 FUNC is a function to handle input key.
 HELP-TEXT is a text set in `hangul-input-method-help-text'."
-  (setq inactivate-current-input-method-function 'hangul-input-method-inactivate
+  (setq deactivate-current-input-method-function 'hangul-input-method-deactivate
 	describe-current-input-method-function 'hangul-input-method-help
 	hangul-input-method-help-text help-text)
   (quail-delete-overlays)
@@ -521,8 +521,8 @@
       (add-hook 'minibuffer-exit-hook 'quail-exit-from-minibuffer))
   (set (make-local-variable 'input-method-function) func))
 
-(defun hangul-input-method-inactivate ()
-  "Inactivate the current Hangul input method."
+(defun hangul-input-method-deactivate ()
+  "Deactivate the current Hangul input method."
   (interactive)
   (unwind-protect
       (progn

=== modified file 'leim/quail/uni-input.el'
--- leim/quail/uni-input.el	2011-01-26 08:36:39 +0000
+++ leim/quail/uni-input.el	2011-11-27 23:29:49 +0000
@@ -99,7 +99,7 @@
 	    (quail-delete-overlays)
 	    (setq describe-current-input-method-function nil))
 	(kill-local-variable 'input-method-function))
-    (setq inactivate-current-input-method-function 'ucs-input-inactivate)
+    (setq deactivate-current-input-method-function 'ucs-input-deactivate)
     (setq describe-current-input-method-function 'ucs-input-help)
     (quail-delete-overlays)
     (if (eq (selected-window) (minibuffer-window))
@@ -107,8 +107,8 @@
     (set (make-local-variable 'input-method-function)
 	 'ucs-input-method)))
 
-(defun ucs-input-inactivate ()
-  "Inactivate UCS input method."
+(defun ucs-input-deactivate ()
+  "Deactivate UCS input method."
   (interactive)
   (ucs-input-activate -1))
 

=== modified file 'lisp/ChangeLog'
--- lisp/ChangeLog	2011-11-27 08:33:25 +0000
+++ lisp/ChangeLog	2011-11-27 23:29:49 +0000
@@ -1,3 +1,21 @@
+2011-11-27  Paul Eggert  <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu>
+
+	* emulation/viper-init.el (viper-deactivate-input-method-action):
+	Rename from viper-inactivate-input-method-action.
+	(viper-deactivate-input-method):
+	Rename from viper-inactivate-input-method.
+	* follow.el (follow-inactive-menu): Rename from follow-deactive-menu.
+	* international/mule-cmds.el (deactivate-input-method):
+	Rename from inactivate-input-method.
+	(deactivate-current-input-method-function):
+	Rename from inactivate-current-input-method-function.
+	(input-method-deactivate-hook):
+	Rename from input-method-inactivate-hook.
+	* international/quail.el (quail-deactivate):
+	Rename from quail-inactivate.
+	* international/robin.el (robin-deactivate):
+	Rename from robin-inactivate.
+
 2011-11-27  Nick Roberts  <nickrob <at> snap.net.nz>
 
 	* progmodes/gdb-mi.el (gdb-init-1): Condition execution of

=== modified file 'lisp/emulation/viper-init.el'
--- lisp/emulation/viper-init.el	2011-11-23 07:03:56 +0000
+++ lisp/emulation/viper-init.el	2011-11-27 23:29:49 +0000
@@ -316,7 +316,7 @@
     ))
 
 ;; viper hook to run on input-method deactivation
-(defun viper-inactivate-input-method-action ()
+(defun viper-deactivate-input-method-action ()
   (if (null viper-mule-hook-flag)
       ()
     (setq viper-special-input-method nil)
@@ -328,9 +328,9 @@
 			     (or current-input-method default-input-method))
 		   "")))))
 
-(defun viper-inactivate-input-method ()
-  (cond ((and (featurep 'emacs) (fboundp 'inactivate-input-method))
-	 (inactivate-input-method))
+(defun viper-deactivate-input-method ()
+  (cond ((and (featurep 'emacs) (fboundp 'deactivate-input-method))
+	 (deactivate-input-method))
 	((and (featurep 'xemacs) (boundp 'current-input-method))
 	 ;; XEmacs had broken quail-mode for some time, so we are working around
 	 ;; it here
@@ -339,7 +339,7 @@
 	     (quail-delete-overlays))
 	 (setq describe-current-input-method-function nil)
 	 (setq current-input-method nil)
-	 (run-hooks 'input-method-inactivate-hook)
+	 (run-hooks 'input-method-deactivate-hook)
 	 (force-mode-line-update))
 	))
 (defun viper-activate-input-method ()
@@ -356,7 +356,7 @@
 	   ;; activate input method
 	   (viper-activate-input-method))
 	  (t ; deactivate input method
-	   (viper-inactivate-input-method)))
+	   (viper-deactivate-input-method)))
     ))
 
 

=== modified file 'lisp/emulation/viper.el'
--- lisp/emulation/viper.el	2011-11-19 09:18:31 +0000
+++ lisp/emulation/viper.el	2011-11-27 23:29:49 +0000
@@ -971,9 +971,9 @@
   (if (featurep 'emacs)
       (eval-after-load "mule-cmds"
 	'(progn
-	   (defadvice inactivate-input-method (after viper-mule-advice activate)
+	   (defadvice deactivate-input-method (after viper-mule-advice activate)
 	     "Set viper-special-input-method to disable intl. input methods."
-	     (viper-inactivate-input-method-action))
+	     (viper-deactivate-input-method-action))
 	   (defadvice activate-input-method (after viper-mule-advice activate)
 	     "Set viper-special-input-method to enable intl. input methods."
 	     (viper-activate-input-method-action))
@@ -985,14 +985,14 @@
       '(progn
 	 (add-hook 'input-method-activate-hook
 		   'viper-activate-input-method-action t)
-	 (add-hook 'input-method-inactivate-hook
-		   'viper-inactivate-input-method-action t)))
+	 (add-hook 'input-method-deactivate-hook
+		   'viper-deactivate-input-method-action t)))
     )
   (eval-after-load "mule-cmds"
     '(defadvice toggle-input-method (around viper-mule-advice activate)
        "Adjust input-method toggling in vi-state."
        (if (and viper-special-input-method (eq viper-current-state 'vi-state))
-	   (viper-inactivate-input-method)
+	   (viper-deactivate-input-method)
 	 ad-do-it)))
 
   ) ; viper-set-hooks

=== modified file 'lisp/follow.el'
--- lisp/follow.el	2011-11-27 04:43:11 +0000
+++ lisp/follow.el	2011-11-27 23:29:49 +0000
@@ -438,8 +438,8 @@
 (defvar follow-active-menu nil
   "The menu visible when Follow mode is active.")
 
-(defvar follow-deactive-menu nil
-  "The menu visible when Follow mode is deactivated.")
+(defvar follow-inactive-menu nil
+  "The menu visible when Follow mode is inactive.")
 
 (defvar follow-inside-post-command-hook nil
   "Non-nil when inside Follow modes `post-command-hook'.

=== modified file 'lisp/international/mule-cmds.el'
--- lisp/international/mule-cmds.el	2011-10-03 14:18:42 +0000
+++ lisp/international/mule-cmds.el	2011-11-27 23:29:49 +0000
@@ -1334,15 +1334,15 @@
 (make-variable-buffer-local 'input-method-history)
 (put 'input-method-history 'permanent-local t)
 
-(defvar inactivate-current-input-method-function nil
-  "Function to call for inactivating the current input method.
+(defvar deactivate-current-input-method-function nil
+  "Function to call for deactivating the current input method.
 Every input method should set this to an appropriate value when activated.
 This function is called with no argument.
 
 This function should never change the value of `current-input-method'.
-It is set to nil by the function `inactivate-input-method'.")
-(make-variable-buffer-local 'inactivate-current-input-method-function)
-(put 'inactivate-current-input-method-function 'permanent-local t)
+It is set to nil by the function `deactivate-input-method'.")
+(make-variable-buffer-local 'deactivate-current-input-method-function)
+(put 'deactivate-current-input-method-function 'permanent-local t)
 
 (defvar describe-current-input-method-function nil
   "Function to call for describing the current input method.
@@ -1429,7 +1429,7 @@
       (setq input-method (symbol-name input-method)))
   (if (and current-input-method
 	   (not (string= current-input-method input-method)))
-      (inactivate-input-method))
+      (deactivate-input-method))
   (unless (or current-input-method (null input-method))
     (let ((slot (assoc input-method input-method-alist)))
       (if (null slot)
@@ -1450,7 +1450,7 @@
 	  (run-hooks 'input-method-activate-hook)
 	(force-mode-line-update)))))
 
-(defun inactivate-input-method ()
+(defun deactivate-input-method ()
   "Turn off the current input method."
   (when current-input-method
     (if input-method-history
@@ -1463,9 +1463,9 @@
 	(progn
 	  (setq input-method-function nil
 		current-input-method-title nil)
-	  (funcall inactivate-current-input-method-function))
+	  (funcall deactivate-current-input-method-function))
       (unwind-protect
-	  (run-hooks 'input-method-inactivate-hook)
+	  (run-hooks 'input-method-deactivate-hook)
 	(setq current-input-method nil)
 	(force-mode-line-update)))))
 
@@ -1479,7 +1479,7 @@
 which marks the variable `default-input-method' as set for Custom buffers.
 
 To deactivate the input method interactively, use \\[toggle-input-method].
-To deactivate it programmatically, use `inactivate-input-method'."
+To deactivate it programmatically, use `deactivate-input-method'."
   (interactive
    (let* ((default (or (car input-method-history) default-input-method)))
      (list (read-input-method-name
@@ -1516,7 +1516,7 @@
   (if toggle-input-method-active
       (error "Recursive use of `toggle-input-method'"))
   (if (and current-input-method (not arg))
-      (inactivate-input-method)
+      (deactivate-input-method)
     (let ((toggle-input-method-active t)
 	  (default (or (car input-method-history) default-input-method)))
       (if (and arg default (equal current-input-method default)
@@ -1643,11 +1643,11 @@
   :type 'hook
   :group 'mule)
 
-(defcustom input-method-inactivate-hook nil
-  "Normal hook run just after an input method is inactivated.
+(defcustom input-method-deactivate-hook nil
+  "Normal hook run just after an input method is deactivated.
 
 The variable `current-input-method' still keeps the input method name
-just inactivated."
+just deactivated."
   :type 'hook
   :group 'mule)
 

=== modified file 'lisp/international/quail.el'
--- lisp/international/quail.el	2011-11-18 08:31:02 +0000
+++ lisp/international/quail.el	2011-11-27 23:29:49 +0000
@@ -544,10 +544,10 @@
   (if (and (overlayp quail-conv-overlay) (overlay-start quail-conv-overlay))
       (delete-overlay quail-conv-overlay)))
 
-(defun quail-inactivate ()
-  "Inactivate Quail input method.
+(defun quail-deactivate ()
+  "Deactivate Quail input method.
 
-This function runs the normal hook `quail-inactivate-hook'."
+This function runs the normal hook `quail-deactivate-hook'."
   (interactive)
   (quail-activate -1))
 
@@ -556,20 +556,20 @@
 With ARG, activate Quail input method if and only if arg is positive.
 
 This function runs `quail-activate-hook' if it activates the input
-method, `quail-inactivate-hook' if it deactivates it.
+method, `quail-deactivate-hook' if it deactivates it.
 
 While this input method is active, the variable
 `input-method-function' is bound to the function `quail-input-method'."
   (if (and arg
 	  (< (prefix-numeric-value arg) 0))
-      ;; Let's inactivate Quail input method.
+      ;; Let's deactivate Quail input method.
       (unwind-protect
 	  (progn
 	    (quail-delete-overlays)
 	    (setq describe-current-input-method-function nil)
 	    (quail-hide-guidance)
 	    (remove-hook 'post-command-hook 'quail-show-guidance t)
-	    (run-hooks 'quail-inactivate-hook))
+	    (run-hooks 'quail-deactivate-hook))
 	(kill-local-variable 'input-method-function))
     ;; Let's activate Quail input method.
     (if (null quail-current-package)
@@ -579,7 +579,7 @@
 	      (setq name (car (car quail-package-alist)))
 	    (error "No Quail package loaded"))
 	  (quail-select-package name)))
-    (setq inactivate-current-input-method-function 'quail-inactivate)
+    (setq deactivate-current-input-method-function 'quail-deactivate)
     (setq describe-current-input-method-function 'quail-help)
     (quail-delete-overlays)
     (setq quail-guidance-str "")
@@ -594,7 +594,7 @@
     (setq input-method-function 'quail-input-method)))
 
 (defun quail-exit-from-minibuffer ()
-  (inactivate-input-method)
+  (deactivate-input-method)
   (if (<= (minibuffer-depth) 1)
       (remove-hook 'minibuffer-exit-hook 'quail-exit-from-minibuffer)))
 

=== modified file 'lisp/international/robin.el'
--- lisp/international/robin.el	2011-11-13 07:48:23 +0000
+++ lisp/international/robin.el	2011-11-27 23:29:49 +0000
@@ -390,8 +390,8 @@
     (setq robin-current-package-name name)
     (robin-activate)))
 
-(defun robin-inactivate ()
-  "Inactivate robin input method."
+(defun robin-deactivate ()
+  "Deactivate robin input method."
 
   (interactive)
   (robin-activate -1))
@@ -406,18 +406,18 @@
   (if (and arg
 	   (< (prefix-numeric-value arg) 0))
 
-      ;; inactivate robin input method.
+      ;; deactivate robin input method.
       (unwind-protect
 	  (progn
 	    (setq robin-mode nil)
 	    (setq describe-current-input-method-function nil)
-	    (run-hooks 'robin-inactivate-hook))
+	    (run-hooks 'robin-deactivate-hook))
 	(kill-local-variable 'input-method-function))
 
     ;; activate robin input method.
     (setq robin-mode t
       	  describe-current-input-method-function 'robin-help
-	  inactivate-current-input-method-function 'robin-inactivate)
+	  deactivate-current-input-method-function 'robin-deactivate)
     (if (eq (selected-window) (minibuffer-window))
 	(add-hook 'minibuffer-exit-hook 'robin-exit-from-minibuffer))
     (run-hooks 'input-method-activate-hook
@@ -426,7 +426,7 @@
 	 'robin-input-method)))
 
 (defun robin-exit-from-minibuffer ()
-  (inactivate-input-method)
+  (deactivate-input-method)
   (if (<= (minibuffer-depth) 1)
       (remove-hook 'minibuffer-exit-hook 'robin-exit-from-minibuffer)))
 

=== modified file 'lisp/language/korea-util.el'
--- lisp/language/korea-util.el	2011-01-26 08:36:39 +0000
+++ lisp/language/korea-util.el	2011-11-27 23:29:49 +0000
@@ -41,7 +41,7 @@
   "Turn on or off a Korean text input method for the current buffer."
   (interactive)
   (if current-input-method
-      (inactivate-input-method)
+      (deactivate-input-method)
     (activate-input-method
      (concat "korean-hangul" default-korean-keyboard))))
 

=== modified file 'lisp/mail/sendmail.el'
--- lisp/mail/sendmail.el	2011-10-15 16:35:19 +0000
+++ lisp/mail/sendmail.el	2011-11-27 23:29:49 +0000
@@ -613,7 +613,7 @@
   ;; (kill-local-variable 'enable-multibyte-characters)
   (set-buffer-multibyte (default-value 'enable-multibyte-characters))
   (if current-input-method
-      (inactivate-input-method))
+      (deactivate-input-method))
 
   ;; Local variables for Mail mode.
   (setq mail-send-actions actions)




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From: Štěpán Němec <stepnem <at> gmail.com>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: 10150 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10150: deactive->inactive,
	inactivate->deactivate spelling fixes
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:17:45 +0100
On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 00:38:47 +0100
Paul Eggert wrote:

> Package: emacs
> Severity: minor
> Tags: patch
>
> Standard English uses the adjective "inactive" and the verb
> "deactivate"; "deactive" and "inactivate" are solecisms.
> Emacs is pretty good about following standard usage but departs
> from it in a few places in the API.  Here's a patch.  Since we're
> in a feature freeze this should wait until after 24.1 is out.

By renaming functions and variables without any kind of deprecation
procedure (cf. `make-obsolete' and friends), you'd leave users with
customisation and third-party libraries stopping working, with no clue
about what happened. I don't think GNU Emacs maintainer standards have
sunk that low (certainly not for hooks and other identifiers of
immediate interest to all users).

I think this caveat applies to some of your other recent patches as
well, I haven't been following them closely.

-- 
Štěpán




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From: Wolfgang Jenkner <wjenkner <at> inode.at>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: 10150 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10150: deactive->inactive,
	inactivate->deactivate spelling fixes
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 21:46:30 +0100
Paul Eggert <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu> writes:

> Standard English uses the adjective "inactive" and the verb
> "deactivate"; "deactive" and "inactivate" are solecisms.

Actually, at least the Longman Dictionary of the English Language (2nd
ed. 1991) contains

inactivate vt to make inactive - inactivation n

without any kind of restriction in usage or register.

Wolfgang




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From: Chong Yidong <cyd <at> gnu.org>
To: Wolfgang Jenkner <wjenkner <at> inode.at>
Cc: 10150 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Paul Eggert <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu>
Subject: Re: bug#10150: deactive->inactive,
	inactivate->deactivate spelling fixes
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:52:34 +0800
Wolfgang Jenkner <wjenkner <at> inode.at> writes:

> Paul Eggert <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu> writes:
>
>> Standard English uses the adjective "inactive" and the verb
>> "deactivate"; "deactive" and "inactivate" are solecisms.
>
> Actually, at least the Longman Dictionary of the English Language (2nd
> ed. 1991) contains
>
> inactivate vt to make inactive - inactivation n
>
> without any kind of restriction in usage or register.

Right.  So the only thing that actually needs a fix is
follow-deactive-menu.




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From: Paul Eggert <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu>
To: Štěpán Němec <stepnem <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 10150 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10150: deactive->inactive, inactivate->deactivate spelling
	fixes
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:04:57 -0800
On 11/28/11 03:17, Štěpán Němec wrote:
> By renaming functions and variables without any kind of deprecation
> procedure (cf. `make-obsolete' and friends),

Sure, we can do deprecation.  Is the usual procedure to do this for
all visible symbols, or only for the symbols that are documented
in the manual?




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From: Paul Eggert <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu>
To: Wolfgang Jenkner <wjenkner <at> inode.at>
Cc: 10150 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10150: deactive->inactive, inactivate->deactivate spelling
	fixes
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:33:30 -0800
On 11/28/11 12:46, Wolfgang Jenkner wrote:
> the Longman Dictionary of the English Language (2nd
> ed. 1991) contains

I stand corrected.

Still, it's confusing that Emacs typically uses "deactivate",
(e.g., deactivate-mark) but sometimes employs "inactivate" instead.
A quick estimation shows that "deactivate" and related forms
are used far more often:

$ cat $(find * -type f) | grep -ci deactivat
815
$ cat $(find * -type f) | grep -ci inactivat
65

Is there some significance to the use of "inactivate" as opposed
to "deactivate"?  If not, it'd be simpler and cleaner for
Emacs to use the more-typical form uniformly.




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From: Štěpán Němec <stepnem <at> gmail.com>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: 10150 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-devel <emacs-devel <at> gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#10150: deactive->inactive,
	inactivate->deactivate spelling fixes
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:47:00 +0100
On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:04:57 +0100
Paul Eggert wrote:

> On 11/28/11 03:17, Štěpán Němec wrote:
>> By renaming functions and variables without any kind of deprecation
>> procedure (cf. `make-obsolete' and friends),
>
> Sure, we can do deprecation.  Is the usual procedure to do this for
> all visible symbols, or only for the symbols that are documented
> in the manual?

You'd have to ask the maintainers for the definitive answer (emacs-devel
added to the Cc: list); I think it's usually closer to the latter.

IMO all commands, hooks and user variables definitely need deprecation,
the rest should at least be mentioned in NEWS.

-- 
Štěpán




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From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
To: "'Chong Yidong'" <cyd <at> gnu.org>, "'Wolfgang Jenkner'" <wjenkner <at> inode.at>
Cc: 10150 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 'Paul Eggert' <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu>
Subject: RE: bug#10150: deactive->inactive,
	inactivate->deactivate spelling fixes
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 07:37:44 -0800
> > inactivate vt to make inactive - inactivation n
> 
> Right.  So the only thing that actually needs a fix is
> follow-deactive-menu.

"Needs", perhaps, if the argument is only wrt English usage and not software use
and maintenance.  I agree that the word "inactivate" is not inappropriate.  (It
has the additional advantage of being similar to the term used for this in some
other languages.)

However, it also makes sense for Emacs to pick one term for this and stick to
it.  I suggest moving to "deactivate" everywhere, but of course by proper
aliasing and deprecation, and with no hurry to desupport the deprecated names
(no need).





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From: Paul Eggert <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu>
To: Štěpán Němec <stepnem <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 10150 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10150: deactive->inactive, inactivate->deactivate spelling
	fixes
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:12:26 -0800
[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]
On 11/29/11 03:47, Štěpán Němec wrote:
> IMO all commands, hooks and user variables definitely need deprecation,
> the rest should at least be mentioned in NEWS.

OK, thanks, attached is an improved version of the patch that
should do all that.  I'll also look at improving the
other patches I recently submitted re fixing spelling
problems in the code.
[deactive.txt (text/plain, attachment)]

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From: Štěpán Němec <stepnem <at> gmail.com>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: 10150 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10150: deactive->inactive,
	inactivate->deactivate spelling fixes
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 17:55:55 +0100
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 07:12:26 +0100
Paul Eggert wrote:

> On 11/29/11 03:47, Štěpán Němec wrote:
>> IMO all commands, hooks and user variables definitely need deprecation,
>> the rest should at least be mentioned in NEWS.
>
> OK, thanks, attached is an improved version of the patch that
> should do all that.  I'll also look at improving the
> other patches I recently submitted re fixing spelling
> problems in the code.

Thank you!

Several problems I noticed:

1) `hangul-input-method-inactivate', `quail-inactivate',
`robin-inactivate' and `ucs-input-inactivate' are all interactive
functions (= commands), but you still just rename them without any
deprecation (cf. `define-obsolete-function-alias').

2) You only use `make-obsolete-variable' to mark user variables obsolete
(and retain both the original and the new defcustoms), which will
produce compiler warnings for the old variable, but doesn't provide any
clear connection between the two. It would be better to use
`define-obsolete-variable-alias' (which presumably also prevents other
problems, see its docstring) and only use `defcustom' for the new
variable(s).

3) The new or changed `defcustoms' should get a :version tag.

-- 
Štěpán




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From: Paul Eggert <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu>
To: Štěpán Němec <stepnem <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 10150 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10150: deactive->inactive, inactivate->deactivate spelling
	fixes
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:12:29 -0800
[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]
On 01/03/12 08:55, Štěpán Němec wrote:
> Several problems I noticed:

Thanks for the careful review.  I'm attaching a revised patch
which I hope addresses all the points you made.
[deactive-v2.txt (text/plain, attachment)]

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From: Štěpán Němec <stepnem <at> gmail.com>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: 10150 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10150: deactive->inactive,
	inactivate->deactivate spelling fixes
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 17:08:34 +0100
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:12:29 +0100
Paul Eggert wrote:

> On 01/03/12 08:55, Štěpán Němec wrote:
>> Several problems I noticed:
>
> Thanks for the careful review.  I'm attaching a revised patch
> which I hope addresses all the points you made.

Looks OK to me, thank you.

-- 
Štěpán




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From: Paul Eggert <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu>
To: 10150-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10150: deactive->inactive, inactivate->deactivate spelling
	fixes
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 00:19:45 -0700
I installed this patch in trunk bzr 109256 and
am marking this as done.




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From: Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka <at> jpl.org>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: 10150 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10150: deactive->inactive,
	inactivate->deactivate spelling fixes
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:51:15 +0900
Paul Eggert wrote:
> I installed this patch in trunk bzr 109256 and
> am marking this as done.

Isn't it better to have an alias to
`inactivate-current-input-method-function' as well,
like `input-method-inactivate-hook' does?
Actually I needed to modify the Japanese input method sj3-egg,
that I maintain.




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From: Paul Eggert <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu>
To: Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka <at> jpl.org>
Cc: 10150 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10150: deactive->inactive, inactivate->deactivate spelling
	fixes
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:36:55 -0700
On 08/01/2012 05:51 PM, Katsumi Yamaoka wrote:
> Isn't it better to have an alias to
> `inactivate-current-input-method-function' as well

Yes, thanks, I added one in trunk bzr 109883.




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